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		<title>Emmy Noether on DRM</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex Na: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Emmy Noether! Emmy, It is an honor for us to have you here. You have not been very public in recent years. Emmy Noether: Thank you for having me here. Alex Na: Emmy, let&#8217;s talk about that publication of yours. For those who don&#8217;t know, the article was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="who">Alex Na:</div>
<div class="what">Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Emmy Noether!</p>
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Emmy, It is an honor for us to have you here. You have not been very public in recent years.
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<div class="who">Emmy Noether:</div>
<div class="what">Thank you for having me here.</div>
<div class="who">Alex Na:</div>
<div class="what">Emmy, let&#8217;s talk about that publication of yours.
<p>For those who don&#8217;t know, the article was titled &#8220;On asymmetry in the noosphere&#8221; and you can find it in The Bryn Mawr Scientific Journal for February 2007. </p>
<p>That article produced quite a buzz. Activists of so called People Against DRM movement claim that you mathematically proved that information of any kind should be open, free and freely distributed.</p>
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<div class="who">Emmy Noether:</div>
<div class="what">No, no, that would be an exaggeration. I only pointed to some essential properties of the noosphere taken as a mathematical object.</div>
<div class="who">Alex Na:</div>
<div class="what">Could you explain to us, what you found.</div>
<div class="who">Emmy Noether:</div>
<div class="what">The first observation I made was that the world of people&#8217;s thoughts and ideas, as a mathematical system, does not have all the necessities to derive a conservation law. So there is no conservation law for so called non-shannonian information. The world of physical things has a conservation law, but the world of ideas doesn&#8217;t. That might sound difficult, but the idea behind it is quite simple. If I give you, lets say, my glasses, I won&#8217;t have them anymore; you will. But if I give you an idea of, let&#8217;s say, an encryption algorithm, then we will both have that idea.</div>
<div class="who">Alex Na:</div>
<div class="what">Yes, that sounds quite obvious.</div>
<div class="who">Emmy Noether:</div>
<div class="what">Money is an interesting system. The conservation law for money is maintained artificially. Because the conservation law is in place, we can perform transformations from products to money and vice versa in a symmetric way. In other words, you can reflect one system to another.</div>
<div class="who">Alex Na:</div>
<div class="what">But it doesn&#8217;t work for ideas, right?</div>
<div class="who">Emmy Noether:</div>
<div class="what">No, it does not. The properties of the systems are so different that you simply cannot reflect one in the other.</div>
<div class="who">Alex Na:</div>
<div class="what">Interesting. But what about DRM? Doesn&#8217;t it solve that problem?</div>
<div class="who">Emmy Noether:</div>
<div class="what">I do not think so. The DRM approach is different, it tries to prevent the transformation itself, it does not change the fundamental nature of the system.</div>
<div class="who">Alex Na:</div>
<div class="what">Emmy, would it be correct to say that nothing related to the people&#8217;s thoughts or ideas can be sold?</div>
<div class="who">Emmy Noether:</div>
<div class="what">Interestingly enough, no. For example, public attention complies with the conservation law, so it can be easily sold.</div>
<div class="who">Alex Na:</div>
<div class="what">Yes, of course, if you grab more public attention today, then someone gets less. Interesting.</div>
<div class="who">Emmy Noether:</div>
<div class="what">That explains the latest business trends, when companies capitalize on public attention, not on the content they produce. In a sense, for such companies, PR is their sales.</div>
<div class="who">Alex Na:</div>
<div class="what">Thank you, Emmy. Emmy Noether, everybody!</div>
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